{"id":4395,"date":"2016-10-04T18:54:11","date_gmt":"2016-10-04T23:54:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/steve.cooleysekula.net\/blog\/?p=4395"},"modified":"2016-10-04T21:36:04","modified_gmt":"2016-10-05T02:36:04","slug":"the-vice-presidential-candidate-debate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/steve.cooleysekula.net\/blog\/2016\/10\/04\/the-vice-presidential-candidate-debate\/","title":{"rendered":"The Vice Presidential Candidate Debate"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_4396\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-4396\" style=\"width: 300px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"http:\/\/steve.cooleysekula.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/pence-kaine.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-4396\" src=\"http:\/\/steve.cooleysekula.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/pence-kaine-300x187.jpg\" alt=\"Mike Pence (R) and Tim Kaine (D) square off on Oct. 4 in the first and only US Vice Presidential candidate debate.\" width=\"300\" height=\"187\" srcset=\"https:\/\/steve.cooleysekula.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/pence-kaine-300x187.jpg 300w, https:\/\/steve.cooleysekula.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/pence-kaine-768x478.jpg 768w, https:\/\/steve.cooleysekula.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/10\/pence-kaine.jpg 770w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-4396\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Mike Pence (R) and Tim Kaine (D) square off on Oct. 4 in the first and only US Vice Presidential candidate debate.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Tonight is the first and only scheduled Vice Presidential Candidate debate for the 2016 U.S. Presidential Election cycle. Meeting on the stage will be the Republican VP candidate, Gov. Mike Pence, and the Democratic VP candidate, Sen. Tim Kaine. I&#8217;ll live blog this evening if there is anything of particular note that leaps out at me, but here is what I expect:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Remember, we are not voting for VPs&#8230; we are voting for the people at the top of the ticket. For these parties, those people are Donald Trump (R) and Sec. of State Hillary Clinton (D). While the VPs may come off as more likeable or informed than the top of the ticket, who cares? When you vote, you&#8217;re voting for the Presidential Candidate. Other than needing to break ties in the Senate or take over if the President is unable to execute their duties, there isn&#8217;t much of a bar the VP candidates have to cross.<\/li>\n<li>That said, expect the VP Candidates each to attach the top of the ticket of the other party. If they&#8217;re smart politicians, they will always take the fight to the top of the other party&#8217;s ticket. Nobody really cares about the VP candidates scoring points against one another; what matters is a bruising of the other party&#8217;s Presidential Candidate.<\/li>\n<li>From a scientist&#8217;s perspective, the Republicans are a mess this year and the Democrats are generally in good shape. By that, I mean that the policies expressed by the Republicans regarding issues where science is a leading player (e.g. whether or not to act on Climate Change, how to shape the Energy Economy) are largely unaligned or anti-aligned with the best science; the Democrats are generally aligned well this year, though it&#8217;s never perfect. Pence has a history of expressing a misunderstanding of the fundamentals of biology, which underpins all of the successful medical procedures known to our species and our total understanding of the biological world. He&#8217;s often advocated for watering down science by introducing one branch of one religion&#8217;s beliefs into the science classroom. Kaine has little such nonsense in his past statements. Watch for Pence to be sticking to personal or party ideologies on issues where science is a leading component of the issue: the environment, energy, and climate policy. Democrats have their anti-science demons, too: watch for Kaine to make missteps on food policy, for instance.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>With that in mind, let&#8217;s relax until the event begins at 9pm US Eastern Time.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<h1>19:15<\/h1>\n<p>The fact-checkers are going to be fighting a war on two fronts: streams of nonsense from the VP candidates, and the usual flood of nonsense from Donald Trump in parallel.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">It appears we&#39;ll have to be monitoring <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@realDonaldTrump<\/a>&#39;s Twitter feed tonight. The GOP nominee has said he&#39;ll be live tweeting. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/aEysAUtBrk\">pic.twitter.com\/aEysAUtBrk<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783457847476531200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>19:57<\/h1>\n<p>Amen to this!<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Americans Currently Changing Channel To Favorite Echo Chamber For VP Debate Coverage <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Onion Politics (@OnionPolitics) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/OnionPolitics\/status\/783470801249075201?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>19:59<\/h1>\n<p>OK, the debate is nearly upon us! I&#8217;ll keep this light tonight.<\/p>\n<h1>20:09<\/h1>\n<p>Pence, in his response to what makes him the VP to step in should the President be compromised, mentions the &#8220;War on Coal.&#8221; No such thing. Coal has been challenged mostly by having to compete against cheap natural gas&#8230; coal has been losing the economic fight for dominance of the energy market. Pence brings Republican anti-science talking points to his intro.<\/p>\n<h1>20:10<\/h1>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: Pence said there have been more taxes during Obama administration, but that\u2019s not the whole story: <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/nygrtafoQf\">https:\/\/t.co\/nygrtafoQf<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/4Q4tcLQgyu\">pic.twitter.com\/4Q4tcLQgyu<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783474398896455680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>20:11<\/h1>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">The <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a> with Sen. Tim Kaine and Gov. Mike Pence is underway. Follow our live fact-check here: <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/lYkBVnvxeZ\">https:\/\/t.co\/lYkBVnvxeZ<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/DnS9JMGhCL\">pic.twitter.com\/DnS9JMGhCL<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; NPR (@NPR) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/NPR\/status\/783472274754199552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>20:12<\/h1>\n<p>Pence seems more uncomforable being the attack dog than does Kaine. Unexpected. Every time Pence has to make an attack, he pauses, glances away, and then finally gets into it.<\/p>\n<h1>20:13<\/h1>\n<p>The interruptions have begun! That didn&#8217;t take long.<\/p>\n<p>Question: is it &#8220;mansplaining&#8221; if two men explain over each other? Whatever. Keep to your time, kids.<\/p>\n<h1>20:15<\/h1>\n<p>I can&#8217;t follow this. They are just talking over each other. It&#8217;s a mess. Moderator has lost control.<\/p>\n<h1>20:16<\/h1>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: True that the Clinton Foundation took foreign government $$ while Clinton was secretary of state. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/YJzNVHsPQe\">https:\/\/t.co\/YJzNVHsPQe<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/7QF0hzgMBC\">pic.twitter.com\/7QF0hzgMBC<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783475872456204288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>20:17<\/h1>\n<p>Pence brings up fake &#8220;war on coal&#8221; again. Repeating Republican talking points. Clearly meant to appeal to Virginia voters. Except the &#8220;war on coal&#8221; is just &#8220;market competition between coal and natural gas that coal is losing.&#8221;<\/p>\n<h1>20:19<\/h1>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: Mike Pence claims national debt has nearly doubled under President Obama, Mostly True. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/O4j4Tl0GEa\">https:\/\/t.co\/O4j4Tl0GEa<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/tCmxRcdQHy\">pic.twitter.com\/tCmxRcdQHy<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783476426037202945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Kaine exaggerated the impact of New START on Russia&#39;s nuclear weapons: <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/iCrYtO3y0D\">https:\/\/t.co\/iCrYtO3y0D<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; FactCheck.org (@factcheckdotorg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/factcheckdotorg\/status\/783476602495758338?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Pence makes faulty comparison on Virginia &amp; Indiana unemployment rates: <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/ex0SwZj780\">https:\/\/t.co\/ex0SwZj780<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; FactCheck.org (@factcheckdotorg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/factcheckdotorg\/status\/783476262740357120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: Kaine said the Iran nuclear deal dealt with Iran \u201cwithout firing a shot.\u201d Mostly True. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/1hvLG1hLFN\">https:\/\/t.co\/1hvLG1hLFN<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/eRMXNjCEgb\">pic.twitter.com\/eRMXNjCEgb<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783476185506390016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>20:21<\/h1>\n<p>Time for tax return talk&#8230;<\/p>\n<h1>20:22<\/h1>\n<p>Pence is trying to run a traditional Republican campaign in this debate. Good luck selling that to Trump.<\/p>\n<p>Also, avoiding the question entirely about Trump and his personal taxes.<\/p>\n<h1>20:23<\/h1>\n<p>Moderator tries to bring Pence back to the question.<\/p>\n<p>Pence keeps saying &#8220;God bless you for it&#8221; to Kaine. That&#8217;s Christian speak for &#8220;Let me shove this knife in between the third and fourth rib and twist.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Pence: &#8220;[Trump] went through a difficult time and used the tax code brilliantly.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Kaine: &#8220;How do you know that? How do you know that?&#8221;<\/p>\n<h1>20:25<\/h1>\n<p>I THOUGHT Pence said the wrong University name at the beginning! Yikes. A real Gary Johnson moment for Pence.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">In his opening statement, Gov. Pence thanked the wrong university. More fact checks here: <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/86PH8oXmPB\">https:\/\/t.co\/86PH8oXmPB<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/nIxJ8D7B9g\">pic.twitter.com\/nIxJ8D7B9g<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; NPR Politics (@nprpolitics) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/nprpolitics\/status\/783477762036232193?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>More fact checks:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: Tim Kaine\u2019s claim of 15 million new jobs is cherry-picked. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/baGjuumsQR\">https:\/\/t.co\/baGjuumsQR<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/UNc3QffrqZ\">pic.twitter.com\/UNc3QffrqZ<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783477660026605568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Kaine claims that Trump said &quot;wages are too high.&quot; He takes Trump quote out of context: <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/dpmfJJZqKr\">https:\/\/t.co\/dpmfJJZqKr<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; FactCheck.org (@factcheckdotorg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/factcheckdotorg\/status\/783477409349791748?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Pence likes to tout his Econ success in Indiana. But many Hoosiers credit his predecessor GOP gov Mitch Daniels. <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Asma Khalid (@asmamk) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/asmamk\/status\/783476159258431493?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: Kaine is right. Trump has said he would let states decide minimum wage. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/NSiW2f0sOc\">https:\/\/t.co\/NSiW2f0sOc<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/8H9HTdpO6f\">pic.twitter.com\/8H9HTdpO6f<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783477329708224513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: Kaine said Nixon released his tax returns under audit, but Nixon didn\u2019t release them as a candidate <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/fkDgcbxpv2\">https:\/\/t.co\/fkDgcbxpv2<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/MwLPMpHxp0\">pic.twitter.com\/MwLPMpHxp0<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783478428821516288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Kaine loves the Richard Nixon comparison on income taxes, but it is a false comparison: <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/91xGQ1BGmn\">https:\/\/t.co\/91xGQ1BGmn<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; FactCheck.org (@factcheckdotorg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/factcheckdotorg\/status\/783478394948358144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>20:28<\/h1>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Pence did not try to privatize Social Security. That\u2019s an old misleading attack line: <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/ToFOq1IQCM\">https:\/\/t.co\/ToFOq1IQCM<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; FactCheck.org (@factcheckdotorg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/factcheckdotorg\/status\/783478686385307649?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>20:29<\/h1>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: Pence has supported privatization, but Trump has repeatedly said he has no plans to modify SS <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/pmGaOCtdS7\">https:\/\/t.co\/pmGaOCtdS7<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/H1eGDFl9XC\">pic.twitter.com\/H1eGDFl9XC<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783478957844946944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>20:29<\/h1>\n<p>Indeed, Kaine and Pence are running verbally over the moderator left and right.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Nation&#39;s Women Relating Fully To Elaine Quijano Right Now <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Onion Politics (@OnionPolitics) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/OnionPolitics\/status\/783479133531697152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>20:31<\/h1>\n<p>Pence speaking for himself, not for Trump:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: Pence has supported privatization, but Trump has repeatedly said he has no plans to modify SS <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/pmGaOCtdS7\">https:\/\/t.co\/pmGaOCtdS7<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/H1eGDFl9XC\">pic.twitter.com\/H1eGDFl9XC<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783478957844946944?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>20:32<\/h1>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Kaine said Trump will &quot;raise taxes on middle class.&quot; But Trump&#39;s plan cuts taxes for all income groups: <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/HIhX7WWMQx\">https:\/\/t.co\/HIhX7WWMQx<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; FactCheck.org (@factcheckdotorg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/factcheckdotorg\/status\/783479985126404096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: Virginia did fix a loophole in background checks for guns while Kaine was governor. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/lGDi2aI8yE\">https:\/\/t.co\/lGDi2aI8yE<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/7Wtrp9E2gD\">pic.twitter.com\/7Wtrp9E2gD<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783479847909748736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>20:34<\/h1>\n<p>Pence denies that humans are &#8220;implicitly biased,&#8221; but the evidence says that every human has biases that they may not even be consciously aware of. Race-based (social group) biases are among them. Police are no more immune to that than others. Police do noble work, but like all members of the human family they have flaws, and being aware of those flaws and how they might affect professional choices is just part of being a responsible professional.<\/p>\n<p>Again, Pence dismissing science of bias to make an appeal to emotion.<\/p>\n<h1>20:36<\/h1>\n<p>On bias in policing:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: True that blacks more likely to be arrested, get longer sentences <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/t41skaAUn9\">https:\/\/t.co\/t41skaAUn9<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/xXaOWShbaG\">pic.twitter.com\/xXaOWShbaG<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783480791397523456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>On other subjects:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Kaine says 15 million jobs were created under Obama. Actually, it&#39;s 10.5M, as we wrote: <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/jtRUhTA1Tu\">https:\/\/t.co\/jtRUhTA1Tu<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; FactCheck.org (@factcheckdotorg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/factcheckdotorg\/status\/783480598652387328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>20:38<\/h1>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Pence: &#39;The Country Is Terrible Except For Racism, Which Is Doing Great&#39; <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Onion Politics (@OnionPolitics) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/OnionPolitics\/status\/783480696299978752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>20:39<\/h1>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Indiana Residents Shocked To Hear How Well-Off They Are <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Onion Politics (@OnionPolitics) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/OnionPolitics\/status\/783481486821425152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>20:40<\/h1>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Pence praises stop-and-frisk. Here&#39;s our story on how and why it was unconstitutionally applied in NYC: <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/ZwhuUz0wPp\">https:\/\/t.co\/ZwhuUz0wPp<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; FactCheck.org (@factcheckdotorg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/factcheckdotorg\/status\/783481503078637568?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>20:41<\/h1>\n<p>And what about that claim that former President Clinton criticizing the current national health care framework?<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">But that&#39;s not the whole story of what former president Clinton said. More context here: <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/ZEvM9HQdwk\">https:\/\/t.co\/ZEvM9HQdwk<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/dPoqU4pgz3\">pic.twitter.com\/dPoqU4pgz3<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; NPR Politics (@nprpolitics) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/nprpolitics\/status\/783481398883680257?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>20:42<\/h1>\n<p>Fact checking:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: Mostly True, however, that Clinton\/Kaine are for sanctuary cities:<a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/EszG5HUnLk\">https:\/\/t.co\/EszG5HUnLk<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/aHavbwWvdJ\">pic.twitter.com\/aHavbwWvdJ<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783482047952252929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: Wrong to say Clinton-Kaine are for open borders. False. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/aYX7JEBN6B\">https:\/\/t.co\/aYX7JEBN6B<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/aw222qmYHJ\">pic.twitter.com\/aw222qmYHJ<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783481724927893504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: Kaine\u2019s claim of a mass deportation force is misleading. Half True. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/GpYOPZtbXq\">https:\/\/t.co\/GpYOPZtbXq<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/Eq4m0TAsrc\">pic.twitter.com\/Eq4m0TAsrc<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783482811097513984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>20:45<\/h1>\n<p>Tonight, it&#8217;s clear that the Clinton campaign is really taking advantage of the fact that Trump cannot stop talking, and puts his foot in his mouth so much he&#8217;s just handing material to the opposition.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Pence: &#39;Again, Senator, Do Not Go So Low As To Bring Up What Donald Trump Has Said&#39; <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Onion Politics (@OnionPolitics) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/OnionPolitics\/status\/783483564369248256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>20:48<\/h1>\n<p>I think Kaine just took the rhetoric over the top with the claim that &#8220;Trump has a personal Mt. Rushmore&#8221; of the world&#8217;s worst dictators.<\/p>\n<h1>20:49<\/h1>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Pence on immigration mentions not only building a wall, but also underground and in the air <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Asma Khalid (@asmamk) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/asmamk\/status\/783482993570672640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: Trump called the military \u201ca disaster,\u201d Kaine says. Mostly True. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/IspdkKCcOS\">https:\/\/t.co\/IspdkKCcOS<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/wineiZnH7k\">pic.twitter.com\/wineiZnH7k<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783484265765957632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>20:51<\/h1>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: Kaine\u2019s claim about Trump advocating a more nuclear world is murkier than Kaine let on. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/MWmyEZG2mc\">https:\/\/t.co\/MWmyEZG2mc<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/T6aoJrIkYe\">pic.twitter.com\/T6aoJrIkYe<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783484615336091648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Fact Check: Donald Trump has broken with the Republican Party platform with his promise to leave Medicare unchanged. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/nfmm6HC9Fw\">https:\/\/t.co\/nfmm6HC9Fw<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/RG1xFYKJpX\">pic.twitter.com\/RG1xFYKJpX<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; NYT Politics (@nytpolitics) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/nytpolitics\/status\/783484182110564352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">On immigration, Mike Pence says Trump&#39;s priority would be to &quot;remove criminal aliens&quot; <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/2YFXnXzsO1\">https:\/\/t.co\/2YFXnXzsO1<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a> \ud83d\udd13<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; The Wall Street Journal (@WSJ) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/WSJ\/status\/783484740179460096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>20:52<\/h1>\n<p>Oof. Harsh but true:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">A smart pollster would do a Republican oversample and ask if they wish it was Pence, not Trump, at top of ticket. <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Ryan J. Rusak (@rjrusak) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/rjrusak\/status\/783484836598026241?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>20:53<\/h1>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Pence was right: Trump said criminal aliens will all be gone, not all living here illegally: <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/3OfipVL9P8\">https:\/\/t.co\/3OfipVL9P8<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; FactCheck.org (@factcheckdotorg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/factcheckdotorg\/status\/783485033965318144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: Pence said Clinton and Kaine want to increase the number of Syrian refugees by 550 percent: <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/SX1mGNLkLB\">https:\/\/t.co\/SX1mGNLkLB<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/EZn6GHeSuG\">pic.twitter.com\/EZn6GHeSuG<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783485273569103872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>Pence then says that his plan to block Syrian refugees because Syrian terrorists have infiltrated the U.S. is supported by the following evidence, according to him: &#8220;Syrians have been involved in terror-related activities in Germany.&#8221; Who now what?<\/p>\n<p>So much for &#8220;innocent until proven guilty.&#8221;<\/p>\n<h1>20:55<\/h1>\n<p>Oh, Kaine&#8230; don&#8217;t misuse the word &#8220;Cyber&#8221;. You will sound like such a Donald Trump if you do that. C&#8217;mon man. Get your shit together.<\/p>\n<h1>20:57<\/h1>\n<p>If only Mike Pence could teach Donald Trump to use the word &#8220;cyber&#8221; as correctly as he does.<\/p>\n<p>Moderator getting talked over by Pence and Kaine again. So awkward.<\/p>\n<h1>20:58<\/h1>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Kaine is right that Trump said NATO is obsolete, but wrong that Trump said &quot;we should get rid&quot; of it. Trump on NATO: <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/Pu14fXqSu0\">https:\/\/t.co\/Pu14fXqSu0<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; FactCheck.org (@factcheckdotorg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/factcheckdotorg\/status\/783486466655748097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">&quot;I stand by that decision&quot; &#8211; Pence says referencing his decision to bar Syrian refugees from Indiana <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Asma Khalid (@asmamk) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/asmamk\/status\/783485769017065472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>21:00<\/h1>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">VP debate: \u201cPence\u2019s message: We need a change. Kaine\u2019s message: Trump is scary. They might both be right:\u201d <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/SMU?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@SMU<\/a> poly sci prof Matthew Wilson<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; SMU (@SMU) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/SMU\/status\/783486703499513857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>21:01<\/h1>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Kaine attacks Trump and defends Clinton; Pence attacks Clinton but doesn\u2019t defend Trump much.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Ramesh Ponnuru (@RameshPonnuru) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/RameshPonnuru\/status\/783486991430258689?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>21:02<\/h1>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: Pence&#39;s claim about the size of the Navy has been around (and misleading) since 2012 <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/jZfvUdPEoJ\">https:\/\/t.co\/jZfvUdPEoJ<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/TUxHnMOduU\">pic.twitter.com\/TUxHnMOduU<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783487364282875905?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>21:03<\/h1>\n<p>&#8220;The question was about Aleppo,&#8221; says the moderator.<\/p>\n<p>Sigh. I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;re listening to you anymore. I am so sorry.<\/p>\n<h1>21:05<\/h1>\n<p>&#8220;How would those safe zones work?&#8221; the moderator asks.<\/p>\n<p>Either candidate: avoid talking about safe zones, then engage by saying that they would be made safe. Yikes.<\/p>\n<h1>21:06<\/h1>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: Pence claim that Obama pulled back on missile defense shield in deference to Russia is Half True. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/lyzlpA1n4L\">https:\/\/t.co\/lyzlpA1n4L<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/XQa1qIHWtz\">pic.twitter.com\/XQa1qIHWtz<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783487822946791424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>And this lovely sexist tweet, retweeted by Trump, from &#8220;Team Trump&#8221; and attributed to Pence. Thanks for making our gender look classy, boys:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">We need STRONG, BROAD-SHOULDERED leadership like <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/Mike_Pence?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@mike_pence<\/a> &amp; <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">@realDonaldTrump<\/a> in the White House! <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/BigLeagueTruth?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#BigLeagueTruth<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/IXXxZZYhy9\">pic.twitter.com\/IXXxZZYhy9<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Team Trump (Text TRUMP to 88022) (@TeamTrump) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/TeamTrump\/status\/783487018764558337?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>21:08<\/h1>\n<p>&#8230; and on Iran:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">In this back-and-forth over Iran, experts tend to side with Kaine over Pence. Here&#39;s why. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/D5zWNZpuOv\">https:\/\/t.co\/D5zWNZpuOv<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783488898274131968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>21:10<\/h1>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Elaine Quijano Can&#39;t Wait To Scream Once Mic Turned Off <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Onion Politics (@OnionPolitics) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/OnionPolitics\/status\/783489235554856960?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>The person who lost most tonight was no person at all, but the decorum expected for &#8220;debate&#8221; participants. The moderator did the best she could, short of cutting mics. Any moderator would have been steamrolled&#8230; but Quijano should definitely be pissed at both of these folks.<\/p>\n<h1>21:12<\/h1>\n<p>A fact check on claims by the Trump ticket on &#8220;Obamacare&#8221;:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\"><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/FactCheck?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#FactCheck<\/a> Trump\u2019s plan calls for repealing Obamacare &amp; replacing it with health savings accounts. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/21oQ28Rql8\">https:\/\/t.co\/21oQ28Rql8<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/VcbiMCDxnM\">pic.twitter.com\/VcbiMCDxnM<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; NPR Politics (@nprpolitics) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/nprpolitics\/status\/783489908791009280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>21:14<\/h1>\n<p>Pence had Virginia with &#8220;War on Coal,&#8221; but Trump lost Virginia by calling is a &#8220;failed state&#8221; on twitter:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">ICYMI: PENCE: I RAN A STATE THAT WORKED; KAINE RAN A STATE THAT FAILED. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/XuWaueNkH0\">https:\/\/t.co\/XuWaueNkH0<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/realDonaldTrump\/status\/783489985718517760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>Yikes.<\/p>\n<h1>21:16<\/h1>\n<p>So, what DID they say about Obama and Putin? A fact-check:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">What Mike Pence said about Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/s5cHlJ0rOO\">pic.twitter.com\/s5cHlJ0rOO<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783490746720645120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Kaine is right: Trump said Putin is &quot;a leader, far more than our president has been a leader.&quot; Pence is spinning. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/zY4P3Thbt9\">https:\/\/t.co\/zY4P3Thbt9<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; FactCheck.org (@factcheckdotorg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/factcheckdotorg\/status\/783491682696298497?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h1>21:17<\/h1>\n<p>A look at Pence&#8217;s &#8220;$400 million ransom paid to Iran&#8221; claim:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: Pence wrong to level $400 million payment to Iran as \u201cransom.\u201d Read why.  <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/majc3Tqh5r\">https:\/\/t.co\/majc3Tqh5r<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/ZAgpg7oSl7\">pic.twitter.com\/ZAgpg7oSl7<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783490456176979968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Pence again brings up the $400M &quot;ransom&quot; payment to Iran. Details on the Iran payment here: <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/ZTbdfUqbeQ\">https:\/\/t.co\/ZTbdfUqbeQ<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; FactCheck.org (@factcheckdotorg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/factcheckdotorg\/status\/783490430595981312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>21:18<\/h1>\n<p>Checking Pence and Trump on Clinton Foundation claims:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Fact Check: Clinton Foundation getting foreign donations <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/IL90hMm5CM\">https:\/\/t.co\/IL90hMm5CM<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/b5CUUUDJ6A\">pic.twitter.com\/b5CUUUDJ6A<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; NYT Politics (@nytpolitics) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/nytpolitics\/status\/783487695591014402?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: Kaine\u2019s claim about Clinton Foundation impact on HIV\/AIDS drugs is True. More than 11M helped. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/wpmNvfZVUq\">https:\/\/t.co\/wpmNvfZVUq<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/1wxNOsEVEq\">pic.twitter.com\/1wxNOsEVEq<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783491957955977217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>Wow. Kaine EVISCERATING Trump Foundation by comparing it to Clinton Foundation.<\/p>\n<p>WAIT?! This question was supposed to be about North Korea? \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Pence said 10% of Clinton Foundation funds goes to charity. That&#39;s wrong: <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/t1c0o2Pj7K\">https:\/\/t.co\/t1c0o2Pj7K<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; FactCheck.org (@factcheckdotorg) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/factcheckdotorg\/status\/783492408038268929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: Pence claim that only 10 percent of Clinton Foundation money goes to aid is wrong. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/7d0MrFiqmy\">https:\/\/t.co\/7d0MrFiqmy<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/nYX4Vxt91e\">pic.twitter.com\/nYX4Vxt91e<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783492499939659776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>Wow. Pence jumped off a bridge without a bungee cord on this topic.<\/p>\n<h1>21:24<\/h1>\n<p>Asked about a time when religious faith was tested by a policy issue:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Kaine: as a Catholic, does not believe personally in death penalty. But, was Governor of a state with death penalty. In the U.S., personal religious beliefs should not conflict with upholding the law. Did not personally support this, but upheld the law as was his duty. &#8220;Important that those of us who have deep faith lives can&#8217;t substitute our views for others in society.&#8221;<\/li>\n<li>Pence: also grew up with a deep faith tradition. Talks about sanctity of life, ties this to Biblical text about &#8220;before you were born I knew you.&#8221; Pence talks about expanding alternatives in Indiana to abortion. Not really a challenge to his faith so far. How is passing alternatives to something that makes you uncomfortable a challenge to your faith, and not just forcing your faith on society? Doesn&#8217;t matter whether you support abortion or not &#8211; this is not a good example of &#8220;Acting in the public good to execute the office thought the action conflicts with my faith.&#8221;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Kaine challenges Pence on this &#8211; mandating the tenets of your faith for those who do not subscribe to it.<\/p>\n<p>This was prescient:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Report: Pence Has 10 Minutes Left To Mention Abortion <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/VPDebate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">#VPDebate<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Onion Politics (@OnionPolitics) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/OnionPolitics\/status\/783492189691211776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Fact-checks on this issue:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">A good primer on Hillary Clinton&#39;s abortion position. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/7cIaH8BQGZ\">https:\/\/t.co\/7cIaH8BQGZ<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/zV73utlrkB\">pic.twitter.com\/zV73utlrkB<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783494136989188096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>and then this:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">LIVE FACT-CHECK: Kaine right Trump discussed punishing women who choose abortion, but he later clarified his remarks <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/BxsErr7pcn\">https:\/\/t.co\/BxsErr7pcn<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/ZkAq5un24x\">pic.twitter.com\/ZkAq5un24x<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; PolitiFact (@PolitiFact) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/PolitiFact\/status\/783494729967304704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Whew, boy. Then there was this from Pence:<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">&quot;You whipped out that Mexican thing again.&quot;<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Laura Helmuth (@laurahelmuth) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/laurahelmuth\/status\/783494479231586304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">October 5, 2016<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h1>21:32<\/h1>\n<p>Last question: &#8220;It has been a divisive campaign. How will you unite the people who voted against you?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Really? A divisive campaign. No.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Kaine: Republicans in government regard and respect Hillary Clinton. Talks about her bi-partisan efforts. So&#8230; just highlights her bi-partisan history.<\/li>\n<li>Pence: talks about a weak America under &#8220;Obama and Clinton&#8221;, crippled by taxes, a war on coal, and bad trade deals. Best way to bring people together: change in D.C. Talks about his own service in D.C. &#8211; doesn&#8217;t talk about Trump at all. Finally talks about Trump when he says &#8220;Trump&#8217;s entire career has been about &#8216;building&#8217;.&#8221; America will unite when Trump changes America.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; Tonight is the first and only scheduled Vice Presidential Candidate debate for the 2016 U.S. Presidential Election cycle. Meeting on the stage will be the Republican VP candidate, Gov. Mike Pence, and the Democratic VP candidate, Sen. Tim Kaine. 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